every breath you taaaake, every move you maaaaaake

[meimichi]

See, inklane, here's the thing.

When I made my last post about this issue, I didn't ask you to publicly own up to stalking my journal and ripping me off. I didn't ask you to apologize. I didn't leave bitchy comments on your journal. I don't think I was particularly nasty or unreasonable.

I just asked you to do one thing:

STOP.

Is that so hard?

Apparently!



In the previous installment of this increasingly stupid story, shelly505 was stalking my journal like a creeper, copypasting from my LJ and ripping me off in various ways, and I called her out with screencaps and asked her to quit it.

About 24 hours after I posted caps of all the crap she was pulling, she deleted her LJ, her graphics journal, her twitter, and supposedly her YouTube account (the last I didn't even know existed until someone mentioned it later). She made no other public response to my post that I'm aware of.

After she deleted her LJ, someone edited the interests list on her community, clois_daily, to remove the ones that were copypasted from my own comm.

On Journalfen's wank_report I saw after the fact, someone posted a link where other Lois fans claimed that Chloe fans ran shelly505 off LJ. Supposedly the entire Chloe mafia came up with a plot under f-lock to force her to delete her journal, just because clois_daily was *~totally absolutely completely coincidentally~* vaguely similar to some unnamed Chloe community. (Yet nobody referred to my journal or comm by name, or linked my crazy, delusional post with all the screencaps and dates showing how it was about more than just one isolated instance of copying. Huh!)

Except, ngl, I was refreshing shelly505's journal like crazy from about five minutes after I made my post. I wanted to see if she took down the stuff she copied, or apologized (admittedly unlikely), or flounced, or whatever, and so was basically at the computer with popcorn hitting refresh until she bahleeted.

Yet I didn't see anyone commenting on her most recent public posts at all. I guess someone could have been doing it on older posts, or I missed it... But still, where are the caps of all this harassment from the Chloe mafia, with their nefarious plans to throw her off the internets? Because it sure wasn't me, and it wasn't my flist, as I asked them in advance to not take this outside my journal publicly.

I saw two people (who weren't on my flist) call her out on twitter as a plagiarizing bitch. Yeah, not polite, but...less than 400 characters of "harassment" was enough to send her fleeing the internets? Really?

Anyway.

I didn't push the issue, because she had deleted her journal, and why stir up shit if it was over anyway. Right? Right!

Except I wouldn't be making this post if it was actually over.

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On October 27th, the former shelly505 created the account inklane. Since she went right back to modding clois_daily and was still using the same default icon as before, I didn't have to be much of a plucky girl detective to notice she was still around. She put up a public post labeling her new journal as friends-only, saying it was "to stop trolling."

Yes, we get it. You're the victim here. Wah.





But, hey, her new journal was no longer creepily copypasting from my interests or keywords anymore. If she was starting over fresh, cool.

But...

I guess she realized now she could carry on ripping off my posts under friendslock in her new journal. Then she could keep doing what she was doing, and I would never be the wiser.

Except you still fail, inklane.

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For starters, in the last month she's started to post picspams publicly, so we still have more of the same at fandom_picspams...





But her SV posts remain locked. How strange. I wonder why?

Rather hilariously, she posted one SV picspam publicly to fandom_picspams last month, and I coincidentally posted one of my own like five minutes after hers, so we had our posts back-to-back looking humorously identical next to each other on the comm. She deleted her post immediately. And no, I don't have caps, more's the pity; I was on a crappy connection at the time and she deleted too quickly for me to get to it.

But anyway, you can still see some of her picspam material in her scrapbook, which has remained public. This one's my favorite:





I changed my picspam style a bit after she started copying me last time, and since the previous post, she began copying that too. I am aware this is not the end of the world, but seriously CAN YOU DIAL BACK THE CREEPINESS JUST A SKOSH?

And for everyone's who's like, "well there are only so many ways to picspam an episode," please go browse through fandom_picspams and find someone else whose posts look so slavishly identical to mine. I'll wait.

Then we get to her comm banner...





And of course, the icons she's uploaded over the past few months to the new journal. She stopped the creepy keyword copypasting, but decided to go for the gold on creepiness in copying more of my icons instead:





And this is obviously just the stuff posted publicly since the last kerfluffle; who knows what could be going on under f-lock.

Seriously?

It's freaking manips and picspams and icons. Not just that, but manips and picspams and icons from freaking Smallville, a show that only has two collective brain cells to rub together on a good day.

Obviously these things are not srs bzness. Kind of the polar opposite of srs bzness, actually. But none of those things are hard to do yourself without obnoxiously copying off someone else either, as the rest of Livejournal seems to survive without obsessively watching my journal and graphics posts to replicate my stuff.

Honestly, it's now at the point where I'm less pissed off at the shameless copying of non-srs-bzness things than I am just marveling at how stupid you're being if you're actually attempting to hide it (as opposed to this being a *~social experiment~*).

I mean...you got caught copying, deleted your accounts to cover your tracks, apparently told your friends you deleted because Chloe fans were being mean girls to you, and then made a whole new journal to keep on trucking, doing exactly what you were before?

People who aren't even on my flist have PM'ed me asking if I'm aware of your new journal and that you've continued to rip me off, so you're not exactly being covert here. Not to mention how you still continue to post in fandom_picspams even now with picspams that look like mine. I'm really still baffled as to whether you think I'm dumb enough not to notice you just because you changed journals, or if you're doing this expressly to get my blood pressure up.

You obviously are totally aware that what you're doing is not cool, because your picspam posts for other fandoms are public, while you keep just your SV ones locked (plus bahleeting the one public SV post that looked just like mine last month).

And you can hardly say that you're not still checking my journals, because you've continued to keep icons I've recently posted uploaded to your userpics credited to both this LJ and yumeiro.

And you clearly saw my first post calling you out where I said I was pissed off at what you were doing, so you no longer have a leg to stand on with any possible *~but omg I love your stuff so much and imitation is just a form of flattery~* excuses that might have flown before, if you'd apologized back then.

So I almost feel like it has to be trolling, except you're still making vague efforts to hide what you're doing, and I just cannot figure out what you're after.

I'd obviously (still!) appreciate it if you quit doing this, though considering now you've been steadily ripping me off for almost half a year now, and most people probably would have cut their losses after the first journal deletion, I'm not holding my breath. But hey, it would be nice, as every time I post something publicly to my journal now, I have to ask myself if it's something I'm willing to see you shamelessly rip off. It's not srs bzness, no, but it is not exactly making fandom the fun stress-reliever it should be, either.

I'm posting this publicly, the same way I did before, because I still think you're watching my journal. I'm doing it so I'm continuing to keep everything out in the open.

You know, as opposed to being a mean, mean Chloe fan who plots under f-lock against you and trolls your journal. I know you've had a tough time through this whole ordeal, being victimized the way you have. :(

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And if this somehow all ends up on f_w, I...probably totally deserve it for posting over what is (this time) essentially mostly icon wank. So, if it happens, I just hope whoever does the report is funny, as I don't need any more recipes right now.

P.S. While egostroking from others did not go entirely unappreciated last time, I'm really not posting this so that everyone I know (and some I don't) in SV fandom feels pressured to tell me how *~awesome and original~* I am in the comments. I would rather have inklane stop being a creeper and leave me in peace than get attention, srsly.

If you want to weigh in, cool, but no pressure here to tell me how much you love and adore me for my amazing 100x100 pixel *~ARTISTIC CREATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SULLIED HERE~*.

Comments

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

I'm actually pretty glad that I had the guts enough to go through with posting this, myself. Not once in my life have I ever backed down from saying what I think or expressing a through or opinion before, so why should I stop now?

From my time of being acquainted with her through Twitter and livejournal, I have noticed that she was pretty much a bully and most of the drama that she squealed about like a stuck pig, was pretty much brought on by herself.

I couldn't stand it, that she was acting like the Chloe/Chlarker's/Chloisers were some big bad meanies, who came charging through her door, and knocked her poor little Clark/Lois lovin' heart down and stamped all over it. Like she hadn't incited them, gotten them all riled up with her ridiculous behavior, and to top it all off the icing on the cake that pissed me off the most - she has actually made the Clark/Lois fans in the sane Clois Camp look absolutely damn crazy and there's got to be a stop put to it.

You're exactly right, she didn't stop at all. She deleted both of her old accounts and then created new ones, which she kept locked. There was no Chloe Mafia that ran her off, there were just two people who I saw on Twitter that told her in no terms politely at all, to just stop plagerizing people. And, if my grandfather hadn't been so busy dying at the time and me trying to run around and help my grandmother to help keep him comfortable until he went, then I would have told her that in a not so polite way myself. That's just rude and it's not acceptable.

*hugs back* Thank you, so much for the support. I really do appreciate it, a lot. It just bothers me, that she would use me like that, treat me like that, and then try to make herself look like the victim. I hate that I feel like our mutual friends are also going to be torn between, which one they should side with and I've been busy talking to them non-stop tonight and assuring them that I'm not going to make them choose and I'm not handing out an ultimatum. Most of them have been amazing and have been supportive of me, except for one.

I wish that the Chloe/Chlark/Chloisers and the Cloisers could be a little more civil with one another and we could all co-exist and try to get along, even if we do disagree on a lot of various things. There's no reason why we shouldn't be able to. I would love to have more Chloe fans on my flist, because I like the character and I totally ship her with Ollie. I shipped her with Jimmy and with Pete and I loved her friendship with Clark and her friendship with Lana. Crap, that girl is just as awesome as AM makes her. lol.

Hahaha, thank you. When do I get my tattoo?! lol. ;)

p.s. Mind friending, since you seem like a very nice person I could totally get along with.

[indefiance.livejournal.com]

I feel like she is exactly the type that brings on the drama and then cries about it to gain sympathy from others. During the whole virus thing, she kept claiming how she was so young and how us Chlarkers were just bullying her and trolling her journal. Ironic that she was trolling nyonyo's journal to a ridiculous extent.

I would love to friend you. We do have several shows in common, including Smallville. I don't talk about Smallville or Chlarker/Chlois things a lot. I mostly post episode reviews, fics, and/or picspams (I'm hoping to post a Chlo-Lo picspam soon, actually...) Plus, I definitely know the difference between disliking a fictional character and bashing fans who are real people. :)

I hope you get through it okay. I read your post and it didn't seem like you were asking people to choose at all. You were just defending yourself and setting the facts straight, which you should have. Especially when she could have caused you to lose friends if you hadn't stood up for yourself.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

She does, believe me you don't even know the half of it. You should see the way that she carries on over at DI, which I'm sure she'll be watching me like a hawk over there. Now, that's just absolutely ridiculous. I have never once, in all of the time I've had her friended, seen one Chlarker/Chloiser troll her damn journal. I don't know about in the past, but I'm probably guessing not. She's not a victim, she's the instigator.

That's fantastic, I've already friended. Now, don't get mad at me if I kinda bitch about the way Smallville treats Chloe for time to time or she does something I think is a bit questionable, lol. I try to be nice a lot of the time in my picspam reviews, when I get around to doing them. They take me days to actually put together because I like to be thorough. lol.

I don't talk a lot about Smallville either, but I do like to fangirl about Clark/Lois and Lois from time to time. And, believe it or not I really love Chlo-Lo and wish were getting a little bit more of it, because I miss it when Lo first showed up. So, I'm kind of interesting in seeing that picspam and also checking out some of your fics and/or other picspams.

Oh yes, there is a big difference between hating a fictional character and the person who plays them. It's stupid how some people act, but we can't control everyone. Wish we had repelant for them, though. lol. That might be nice. ;)

Thank you, once again for the support. I really do appreciate it a lot. It helps that you guys are nice enough to hear my side out and aren't questioning whether or not I'm being genuine, since I'm a Clark/Lois fan. Most of our mutual friends have actually been quite supportive as well, except for one of them. There's maybe one more that I'm a little sketchy about, but other than that it's been pretty good.

[frelling-tralk.livejournal.com]

I couldn't stand it, that she was acting like the Chloe/Chlarker's/Chloisers were some big bad meanies, who came charging through her door, and knocked her poor little Clark/Lois lovin' heart down and stamped all over it. Like she hadn't incited them, gotten them all riled up with her ridiculous behavior


Sorry to butt in on the discussion, but that's exactly it. With the wank over the virus, she had a post accusing Chlark fans of sending a virus to a Cloiser chat, and one Chlark fan commented to that entry (more that politely) asking if she had any proof of this. She was the one throwing accusations at other fans in that entry, in a rant which included abusive language aimed at us, so why be surprised when people find that unlocked entry of talking about other fans. And yet, in response to that one polite comment (and I'm pretty sure people take screecaps of the entry which will show how polite the comment was) she flew off the handle and had another post about Chlark fans now trolling her journal and she cannot take any more of this fandom. And murmurings of f-w started up, and she immediately had a new entry about how upsetting this mean fandom is for her as a 16 year old, and people thought then that she was only making out she was 16 to avoid f-w (which has under 18 age rules).

It's frustrating because, much like nyonyo being plagiarized is spoken off as Chloe fans bullying and overreacting to shelly because she had a comm with one or two coincidentally similar challenges (when it was clearly more than that), that's another thing that is still talked about today with the belief that Chloe fans send them a virus. From what people were saying, it wasn't even a real virus. It was one of those rick roll type things where heaps of programes open up on your comp at the same time and you need to restart. And literally anyone could have send that to an open chat, places like yahoo and AIM chat are rife with viruses, but still people end up believing what Shelly says on that, and it is frequently still spoken off today as fandom sending viruses to one another. Even when there is not one shred of truth to that other than the entry with shelly ranting and pointing fingers. And bringing Craig into it to say that he supported her claims, when he did no such thing

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

No, don't worry about it. Feel free to weigh in all you want, because it's such an eye-opener for me to be finding out the extent of all the drama that she's caused and to know the root of the backlash and why the Chloe/Chlark/Chloiser fans feel the way that they do. I'm just looking at this, shaking my head, and seriously going ... W.O.W.

I wonder, does anyone know if she deleted that post or if anyone else might have screencaps of the original post itself and not just of the comments exchanged between her and Craig, because if I could get my hands on those I would be more than happy to edit it into my post.

Okay, wait a minute. You guys keep telling me that she's been complaining about Chlark fans trolling her journal, but in the span of time that I had her friended I have never once seen a Chlark/Chloe/Chlois fan EVER troll her journal, which is what has me literally shaking my head in astonishment over the fact that she's once again playing victim when she's the one who in fact, started the whole damn drama to begin with. It's rather disgusting to know that a fellow Clois fan is capable of that sort of behavior and it makes me want to apologize on our camps behalf, even though myself and the other sane Clois fans haven't really done anything wrong.

clois_daily was definitely patterned after up_away and there's just no denying that, even down to the first couple of challenges that it offered.

Ugh, I can't ... this is digusting. I'm just put away, really.

[frelling-tralk.livejournal.com]

Okay, wait a minute. You guys keep telling me that she's been complaining about Chlark fans trolling her journal, but in the span of time that I had her friended I have never once seen a Chlark/Chloe/Chlois fan EVER troll her journa

:nods: People have been saying that Chlark fans as a group have driven several Clois fans into hiding and locking their LJ's because of trolling them (when Shelly is all I can think of that applies too). And then all that happened was that Nyonyo had the entry in her own LJ calling her our and asking Shelly to stop copying her, and so Shelly went more undercover (and continued ripying off Nyonyo in a deliberate way, right down to organising her icons the exact same way). She is the one baiting other fans, and so it was frustrating when that turned into Shelly making out that Chlark and Chlois fans were the bad guys hounding her for simple misunderstandings over a comm

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

You know what, that's absolutely bs because if that were true every last one of us Clois fans would be living underground secretly in our own community, and that's not the case at all. I've seen several of the sane one's in our camp be very vocal in the fandom and participatory in whatever things we've had going on for fun or in support of the fandom/show/celebs involved with it, etc. So, there's really no basis to her accusations at all and this only further proves to me that I was a damn fool for even having her friended or trying to trust and give the benefit of the doubt.

Trust me, I know that Nyonyo wouldn't say something if it wasn't true. Nor would mojotastic and I trust her very much and take her word to be nothing but fact and truth, because I know the kind of person that she is. So, as far as I'm concerned, Shelly doesn't have a leg to stand on.

[marikology.livejournal.com]

Apeygirl has a screengrab of the entire post of hers telling us to Fuck off because we spread viruses.

In that post, I politely asked for proof and she told me, "I don't have any, but DI says so and Craig said he saw Chlarkers admitting it on people's Livejournals," which I knew was a lie, and he set her straight at my request.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

Would you mind too terribly much, asking her if she would share that screengrab with you of the entire post, so that I could update my post with it and keep a detailed account of everything in that - just for the fellow Cloiser's on my flist so that they knew what kind of person they're dealing with in the fandom and maybe we can try and put a stop to some of this ridiculous stupidity?

I have no doubt that you were very polite, because several of our mutual friends have told me that they thought my comment to one of her recent picspams/episode reviews wasn't out of line and there was no reason for her to react the way that she did to me. So, I completely believe you, and I'm glad that Craig was able to set her straight. I cannot stand people like her, nor do I like being duped by them which is exactly how I feel right now.

[nyonyo.livejournal.com]

You saw she's deleted her LJ, right?

I think I have everything from friends I'm going to get on short notice, in terms of caps. The only thing I can't track down are the caps someone had that they said showed she was lying about her age to avoid fandom_wank. However, since you were on her flist, you may know yourself whether that was the truth or not just from context clues. Apparently she claimed to be sixteen last year.

Give me a little while to upload all the caps, and write up a little bit to explain the context of what has happened from our end as I understand it from the very start of all the drama. I'll get back to you shortly. :)

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

Oh my, I wonder when she decided to do this? lol. That's just kinda funny, if you think about it. Of course, she doesn't think she can get away from me that easily, because I've got feelers out all over the Clois camp and she's still a manintainer/moderator of clois_daily, so it won't be hard or take me too long to figure out what her next journal will be.

As far as her age, I'm not entirely sure about that one. I don't think she's 16 at all, at the very least she's either still 17 about to turn 18 or she's already 18 and acting like she's younger. To be honest, she should be of age or getting ready to be of age to talk about on f_w. I'll ask a mutual friend of ours in a totally random and un-suspecting way so that we can act least confirm it, because I don't want to post something that I'm not sure of completely and further have the Chlarker's/Chloiser's or myself, recieving any backlash on it as to call into question the other stuff that's already been presented.

Okay, sure take all the time that you need to put whatever you've got together and upload all of the screencaps. I'll go ahead and start working on another post, linking to the previous one that I've made so that we can have everything all together in one master post. I'll also be made public, so that you guys can also link back to it and if anyone wants to come in and add anything else to the comments they think they need to from you guys side of the came - definitely feel free to do that. :)

Thank you, for taking the time to help and also taking the time to hear me out, as well.

[nyonyo.livejournal.com]

...yeah, this is taking me longer than I thought it would to get all the links and stuff together. *g* I'll get it to you ASAP but it's a little bit more overwhelming than I thought.

Well, apparently we had caps that put her at 18 minimum, but nobody can reach the person who had them. It's cool if you don't know, though, it's not that big a deal. :) She never listed her birth year on her profile for as long as I've been watching her journal though, so I don't know how many people would know offhand.

No prob! Thanks for everything! :)

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

I figured that it might take you a little while to compile all of this together, so take your time and all that good stuff. I've already got the bulk of my master post written up and saved in a document, so all I'll have to do is insert (with proper credit)whatever you share with me.

If I'm thinking right, I would almost be willing to bet that she's 18. I wish I had actual hardcore proof that I could get to you, maybe I can ask one of our mutual friends like I said before. You never know, they might be able to tell me. Brooke90 is like her best friend and she's still friended to me with nothing against me.

You're more than welcome, thank you. :)

[nyonyo.livejournal.com]

Thanks! I hope someone can find the caps so the mystery is solved, but in the grand scheme of things, lying about her age is the thing she did that concerns me the least.

I really have no doubt that she acted like a nice person to everyone on her flist. Because I've interacted with a few multishippers she had friended in the past, and all of them seem like really nice people.

In the past I seriously thought both sides of the shipper war were totally nuts but this whole situation has made me so ridiculously paranoid I cannot even say. I mean, I couldn't even upload an icon to my userpics without asking myself if it's worth the blood pressure spike to see it shamelessly ripped off. CRAZY.

I've been a Chloiser since S3 and I stopped liking Lois a long time ago, but I have no problem with Cloisers or people who like Lois. It's cool if they like Chloe, or even if they hate her. Back in the day before everything got so crazy personal, I thought the debates from fans of each character were what made the fandom most interesting. Clark and Lex fans would debate like crazy over who was really the wronged party in the friendship, and it created interesting discussion, and back then it was okay if you liked one or the other or both. I think the Chloe and Lois debate lost that a while ago and just became about both sides needing to win, and got insanely personal, and it's impacted the fandom for the worse.

And yeah, I totally get the crazy out there: I posted an episode picspam a few months ago focusing on Chloe (because...she's my favorite character) and got a ranty anonymous comment about how dare I exclude caps of Lois from my picspam and refuse to show my flist what a wonderful person she was, and clearly I hadn't spent my time taking and uploading caps of Lois because if I had just included her wonderful scenes, it would show my true colors of how wrong I was to not be a Lois fan. CRAZY. Apparently you're not even allowed to post about Chloe when you're a Chloe fan. O_o

But anyway, thanks for taking the time out to read the post and comment here, it always makes me happy to see some sane people in the fandom. *g*

[nyonyo.livejournal.com]

Well, even now, the Fortress is still colored black, so Brainiac should still be infecting it, and in Echo the Fortress was messing with Clark's head and putting the mindreading power in there. I seriously think this entire year has been Clark brainwashed by the Brainiaced Fortress.

After Clark stopped saying, "IT'S ALL MY FAULT!" this year, I thought that was a sure sign something weird was up; he hasn't expressed guilt over anything all year, and Clark's guilt complex (if sometimes exasperating to watch) was what always made the character tick. I don't think he's gone two episodes the whole series without talking about how GUILTY he feels about something he has no control over, and there's no way he could go thirteen episodes without mentioning it once. And that's not even getting into how out of character his treatment of Chloe has been. So I do think it isn't Clark, except if it isn't and the entire Clois ship this year was just a fakeout, then that's way, way, way more cruel than the years of Chlark/Chlois teasing, to give shippers everything they wanted and have it be a lie.

And yes, I understand exactly what you mean. I can't stand Clark now, but I shipped Chlark for eight seasons so I'm not stopping now after so many years: they have my loyalty, it's been built up forever. *g* And they are still burying the little meta hints they know Chloisers are obsessed with into the show, even now, so I actually still honestly think Chlois is going to happen.

But of course I get why people think Chloisers are delusional and think the show would never go there; I don't blame them. I mean, Clois is all over S9, so I understand why people don't get why Chloisers won't admit defeat already (and after S9, well, most of them have since they stopped watching over Clark's treatment of Chloe). But as long as we're not trolling Cloiser's LJs to harsh their squee over their ship, and they're not trolling Chloiser LJs claiming we promote an agenda of hatred, I don't really see the harm. I mean, if people can't be allowed to post their *~delusional conspiracy theories~* on the internet, then what is the internet FOR? :P

P.S. I just love your picspams and icons, they are so beautiful...

Thank you so much! :)

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

And yeah, I totally get the crazy out there: I posted an episode picspam a few months ago focusing on Chloe (because...she's my favorite character) and got a ranty anonymous comment about how dare I exclude caps of Lois from my picspam and refuse to show my flist what a wonderful person she was, and clearly I hadn't spent my time taking and uploading caps of Lois because if I had just included her wonderful scenes, it would show my true colors of how wrong I was to not be a Lois fan. CRAZY. Apparently you're not even allowed to post about Chloe when you're a Chloe fan. O_o

Good lord, people are assholes.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

No, don't worry about that. Anyone can say anything they like or butt in wherever they like, it's completely okay.

See, that's exactly what I thought and also what I'd told nyonyo myself, but because I wasn't 100% sure about it and I couldn't really provide the actual proof because her journal is now deleted (which, honestly doesn't surprise me in the least) I didn't mention that part. I am working on another post regarding inklane and it's going to be a "master post" that will have everything from the post I made before in it including the two links back to nyonyo's journal posts on inklane, and also more information as well that I'm sure you guys in the Clois camp didn't know about.

Nyonyo along with everyone else, seems to think that inklane claimed she was only 16 or 17 and she was being severely bullied by the big bad mean ol' Chloe fans, so that she wouldn't be talked about on f_w because they have rules about nobody under 18, etc.

In the beginning she was nice as pie to me, as well. But, then once she created clois_daily and I sent her a polite pm asking her if I could post my Clois fanmix there that I was so proud of, she told me in a very rude way that no I couldn't because self-promotion wasn't allowed there and I was like - dude, that's not what I'm doing because I just thought that other Clois fans might like to see it or whatever.

Then most recently, she took a comment that I posted to one of her journal posts extremely wrong and flew off the handle about me. She basically bad mouthed me on her then public twitter (which, isn't so public anymore) to all of her friends who didn't even know me and encouraged them to bad mouth me, then she de-friended me on livejournal, all the while telling me that she hoped we could stay friends just not on each other's flist while telling everyone else how I made her feel uncomfortable in her own journal. The whole thing was just really creepy and kinda pissed me off.

If she had just apologized for the talking about me, then we could have gone our separate ways and I would have been completely fine with it having no ill will. But, like I told someone else, she picked the wrong Clois fan to piss off. I'm about to lay all of her stuff out there, for everone in our fandom camp to see and form their own objective opinons after reading the evidence.

Thank you, for saying that. I really do appreciate it.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

I wasn't even trying to make it seem like she wasn't entitled to her opinion in the least or make her feel uncomfortable in her personal journal. The whole thing was, what she had said had brought back an old painful and extremely personal memory that I hadn't thought of in a long time and in that one moment I was a little angry that I was shaking, so rather than say anything that I thought might offend her I just opt'ed to go away and cool down. Plus, my anger had absolutely nothing to do with her at all, and everything to do with the image that her words had shaken loose inside my head had made me feel in that moment.

People do take things way too far, sometimes. However, I've been fortunate in the fact that most of our mutual friends have been able to see my side of it and have even gone so far as to tell me that they didn't think anything I'd said in any of my comments had been out of line. So, that does make me feel a little better in some respects.

As far as what Zantanna did with Clark, I can tell you now there was nothing remotely date rape-ish or sexual assualt-ish about it. It was just Zantanna seeing a hot guy, throwing herself at him with a little magic ala her personality, and then Clark coming to his senses and turning her down. Plus, I couldn't believe she brought Alicia and Clark up to me, as well. I was just like ... dude, wow. You do know the chick kinda died protecting him, don't you? So, in my mind it doesn't give her a pass for what she did, but it does sort of redeem the character in a while.

Oh well, whatevs. People can be so ridiculous about some things, like you said. Btw, icon love. ♥

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

See, that's been my goal in this whole ordeal all along, to show that there are more sane and rational Clois fans out there who are kind awesome once you get to know them. Just like I know that there are awesome Chlarker/Chlois fans out there, too. I like both of the characters myself, really. I don't see a problem with liking either Chloe or Lois or both of them. In the earlier seasons when Lois first came to the show I liked the relationship between Chloe/Lois and now wish we had more of that instead of just little moments here and there, where it seems like they're bonding.

You pretty much summed it up, the ship wars and the divide between the Clois camp and the Chlarker/Chlois camp is ridiculous. We need to find a way to sort of bridge the gap, learn how to agree to disagree civilly, and try to put a stop to some of the crazier ones in our fandom camp while letting them deal with the ones in their own.

Wow, that's the first I've heard of that. A Clois fan accusing another one of being a phony, because you like both the girls?! That's just really pathetic and I'm truly sorry that happened to you. Do you mind telling me who it was or if you don't want to, that's absolutely fine. But, I am quite curious to know what happened there and why they would do such a thing to you. It's absolutely disgusting.

If I were to keep your name out of it, would you mind if I said something about it in my "master post" that I'm working on? The only reason I would want to, is to warn other Clois fans out there to be careful even in their own camp.

See, that's the part I don't understand. It's like a rule or something, where you have to either like one girl or the other, but you can't like both. To me, that's just a stupid rule all together for any camp in fandom to have. Why can't you like both? Is it really necessary to hate one, just to be able to like the other? No. I don't think it is, honestly. I like both the girls, as I stated above. That's not something that's going to change anytime soon either whether some in the fandom camp like it or not, they're gonna have to just suck it up.

Exactly, I agree with your way of thinking. There is no reason for people to act this way in fandom.

Anyway, thank you for your support, I appreciate and I'm sure that nyonyo will as well. These guys over here, have been really amazing the last few days. Really, some pretty awesome people in fandom.

ps. If you're looking for a new sane Clois friend, then I'll be more than happy to friend you. :)

[nyonyo.livejournal.com]

Okay, I posted the whole thing here in a new post. Other people who were directly involved with earlier drama she caused may end up popping up with more information or caps later on, or correct any mistakes I may have made, but that's the whole story as far as I know it at this time.

Also, seeing the long comment threads with a nice calm discussion about SV here when I came home made me feel all warm and fuzzy. *g*

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Thank you so much, for making that post. I will definitely be linking to it in the master post that I'm working on. If anyone else wants to add in information, fill in any holes, cover any blanks, or just mention anything else that might have been made - that would be great. Otherwise, I trust your write up fully and I know you wouldn't accuse anyone of doing anything without having the proof to show for it.

I don't mind discussing SV with anyone else, as long as it can be done civily and in a calm manner. I enjoyed getting to talk with other's and even if we didn't always agree, we could at least respect one another's views. :)