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[meimichi]

Okay, I said that I would try to explain what happened with shelly505/inklane from the very beginning, as I understood it from my point of view. I actually had no idea it would be this tl;dr - I didn't really try to put everything together in one place until this week. Obviously this tale comes with a really heavy Chloe-mafia bias, so more neutral parties may feel free to take my opinions and theories with a huge grain of salt.

There's been other, different, also crazy wank that sometimes overlaps with this, but I don't have caps to back up anything else since I haven't been actively involved with wank outside this. So I'm trying to leave other Chloefen-vs-Loisfen wanks alone, and focus only on unraveling the tangled web inklane has woven. If we can keep any resulting discussion focused on what inklane did and not the rest of the crazy, that would be cool. I think this is wanky enough on its lonesome.

If I got any of the events wrong, please correct me in the comments. Since I wasn't a part of the drama from before she started stalking my journal, I had no reason to cap it, so some of these caps I've gotten from friends who were involved in those kerfluffles.

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The first time I think the Chloe mafia took notice of Shelly was due to her involvement in the "Chlarkers are just like the KKK" wank from April of last year. She wasn't the one who made the post, just one of the Lois fans who weighed in and defended it. Unfortunately the caps of the comments have since been deleted at the entry, and I neglected to save them (darn my faith in f_w's archival skills!), but after the next thing hit people were like, "Isn't that the chick who was in the KKK wank?" So that was the first kerfluffle, to my knowledge - since the caps have disappeared, there's not much point to mentioning it except to demonstrate she was not exactly highly sympathetic to Chlarkers from the start.

(And when I say Chlarkers, I more or less mean Chloisers, as shelly505 was apparently fine with having multishippers on her list as long as they also shipped Clois. She took care to say that she knew it wasn't any of the Chlarkers on HER flist who were evil troublemakers. As long as you shipped Clois too, it was cool.)

After that, the next time she caused Chloe mafia ripples was the "virus" wank on August 31st, 2009.

She made the following public post:



(be warned, cap is HUGE; includes all comments and may take a long time to load)


She then goes on to explain how there was a chat for Lois fans (which was publicly advertised on twitter) and it was infiltrated by an anonymous person, who sent a virus to everyone in the chatroom disguised as links to Lois stills for a new Smallville episode.

Though Shelly states she wasn't even in the chat.

An anonymouse described the chatroom "virus" at wank_report as such, emphasis mine:

It wasn't a virus. It was a link to one of those rick-roll videos which opens a million pop-ups and forces you to hard-reset your computer which the not-so-computer-savvy Lois fans thought was a "virus". The link got posted by a lurker who said it was promotional stills from an upcoming episode in a chat set up just for Lois fans. So, yeah.

Which Shelly confirmed downthread in her own post's comments, but then persists in calling it a virus. And, of course, others have followed suit since and referred to the "virus spreading" as a standing example of the Chloefen's evil.

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Okay, time out. Let me say here:

I really do not believe it was a member of the Chloe mafia who did this.

It was, apparently, a RICKROLL VIDEO THAT OPENED UP POPUPS. Why wouldn't you confess to the terrible sin of rickrolling?

The Lois fans themselves admitted in the above posts that no damage was done to the computers of a single person in chat, because it was a video that opened up a bunch of popups. Yet they went on loudly calling it a virus, and blaming the Chloe fans for their virus-spreading conspiracy.

The above posts are all I know. They haven't shared proof, so obviously it goes both ways that I have no proof to vindicate anyone. While it was an open chat that was advertised, I admit that chances are against it being just some random troll from the main twitter live feed who strolled in, if they took the trouble to have a story about having links to new stills for an upcoming episode.

But the main reason I don't think it was one of us?

Is because the Chloe mafia is gossipy as all hell, and someone would have talked by now. For sure.

If one of us went to all the trouble of infiltrating a DI chat to plant a RICKROLL VIDEO DISGUISED AS STILLS (which...rickrolling? really?), I am pretty sure they would have spoken up by now considering how much wank this has sparked. If only to say more loudly, as Lois fans themselves have admitted more quietly, that it was a pop-up video and not a virus.

And even if someone didn't come forward publicly, I'm pretty sure they would have whispered, "Yeah, I admit it, I totally rickrolled the Loisfen chat for the lulz! I told them it was Lois stills, but it was NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UUUUUP..." And since no harm was done, no doubt the Chloe mafia would be like, "YOU HAVE DAMAGED THE CLOISERS SO TERRIBLY BY DEPRIVING THEM OF LOIS STILLS AND REPLACING THEM WITH RICK ASTLEY! CRITICAL HIT TO THEIR HP! OH, HOW WE SHALL CHUCKLE OVER THE LOISFEN'S SUFFERING! TEE HEE HEE! ...ALL RIGHT, ENOUGH CHUCKLING OVER THE PAIN OF THE LOISFEN, LET US DISCUSS OUR PLANS FOR THE SACRIFICES TO SATAN OVER THE WEEKEND." (This is, obviously, exactly what private Chloe mafia conversations sound like.) And from there the word would spread through the mafia grapevine.

Except nobody has ever said they did it, publicly or privately. Yeah, it's my word against the world's, but it's the truth.

So I figure either it was a *~Chloe fan gone rogue~* who wasn't in the mafia clique, or a Lois fan made a sockpuppet and did it themselves to cause drama and panic (which, considering that it was a harmless video that opened up a bunch of popups, and yet wanky Loisfen were screaming VIIIIIIRUS! all over and still use the VIIIIIRUS! as evidence of their superiority in other wanky arguments, is frankly what I find more likely. But obviously, given the reasons I'm making this post in the first place, I'm pretty grudgey AND paranoid where crazy Loisfen are concerned now, so my judgment is questionable). But nobody has any IP info, so we'll probably never know.

And anyway, I know it's a lost cause; the Chloiser virus will live in fandom urban legend infamy forevermore. Moving on.

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If you scroll down, down, down past all Shelly's comments of indignant rage, waaaay down past the parts where she admits it was actually a popup vid and nobody's computers were actually infected by anything but IT WAS STILL A VIRUS REALLY!, past the part where she says that nope, they have no IP proof to back anything up, to the end of that post... You'll find a comment by marikology...

[caps here of the full exchange from email, since shelly505 locked the post before capping; text below, spelling errors intact]

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marikology:
"There is absolutely no proof to these claims. It's a public chat, with anonymous entry, from what I understand, that literally anybody in the world can go into. Half of the Chlarkers are grown women who can barely do LJ Tags, much less create a virus. I would appreciate if you asked for some proof before spreading such a hurtful rumor.


shelly505:
Please don't troll here :(
Thank you.


marikology:
How is a polite response on a public post "trolling?"

I'm standing up for myself over baseless claims.

eta- I've said what I need to say. I won't be back.


shelly505:
Sorry, I guess I asume troll when your accusing me of something?

I guess I can't even make a public post here saying I dont want shippers who enjoy putting viruses on other's computers to add me. Fine, I'll make this friends only. Unbelievable. I have no problem with Chlarkers at all depite what some of you do because I understand all ships have sour people in them, and yet I'm still jumped on for things in my personal livejournal.


marikology: I would appreciate links to prove your claims. I don't even know any Chlarkers technologically-savvy enough to do such a thing.


shelly505: Please, I really don't want to ban anyone from this journal. I made this post out of anger after hearing that from MODS/DI members and apparently Craig said he saw it going around Livejournal too. I want to keep my journal open for all type of shippers to feel comfortable being my friend and have nothing against Chlarkers/Chloisers, which is why I also want the ones who did that to know not to add me which is why I made it public.
I dont have links, sorry, But I feel I really shouldn't have to provide them when I have proof myself. I know your just defening other Chlarkers, but I'm sure they were ones you might not even know!:)

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Except Craig hadn't said anything about it...

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theninthdoctor:
Hi,

This is Craig from KryptonSite.

Apparently in one of your locked posts there was some talk about a DI Chat virus issue, and someone (maybe you) said "Craig said he saw on LJ that they said they did it" or something like that.

I never said that, and just wanted this stopped before anyone goes further with it. It's making stuff up about me which I hope you understand I don't appreciate, though I know how hearsay flies. I don't want to be in the middle of this drama though. Thanks.


shelly505:
Oh okay, I'm sorry! Someone at DI told me you said that you saw something about it- didn't mean to put words in your mouth. Honestly, I'm not trying to start anything, for some reason people are coming to me and blaming me for starting rumours when all I did was make a post saying I thought what happend was really horrible *sigh* I try to stay in my little corner but people still start stuff. Sorry for the mix up, it was not my intention to put you in the middle of it!

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You guys! All she did was make a public post telling Chlarkers to fuck off, in giant font, and announce that they spread a virus! She wasn't trying to offend anyone! She's just trying to explain how terrible Chlark shippers are, spreading their evil nonexistent virus! WHY IS EVERYONE GETTING SO UPSET WITH HER FOR JUST TRYING TO GET THE TOTALLY UNSUBSTANTIATED PROOF OF A CRIME THAT NEVER TOOK PLACE OUT IN THE WORLD? If she DOESN'T post about it in HUGE FONT, the mean virus-spreaders might want to be her BFF and give her fake viruses too! HOW WILL SHE BE SAFE IF SHE DOESN'T SPEAK OUT NOW?

Truly, shelly505 is a brave little toaster.

(I do love how when Craig appears and asks her not to make stuff up about him, he gets an apology, yet when a known Chloiser asks the same thing, it's OMG STOP TROLLING OR I WILL BAN YOU!)

There were rumblings of the virus thing making it onto f_w. At that, apparently shelly505 made a public post loudly and pointedly announcing that she was ONLY SIXTEEN (or: I know I'm being super wanky, so I'll pretend to be younger than I am to avoid f_w!). I've been told someone took caps of it and another separate, previous post she stated she was 18, but the person with the caps has thus far been unreachable; if I get the caps I'll edit them in later. And Shelly never had her birth year listed on her profile for as long as I've watched her journal. (I definitely don't think she's a sockpuppet, though; her shelly505 journal had existed for years and had hundreds of entries, if mostly flocked, so it seemed legit. Which is why I was so surprised when she was later so quick to bahleete without a fight.)

Okay. Up until now, I had been staying out of all of the wank, though I had heard about most of the drama (see: Chloe mafia being gossipy as hell). I'm a reader of f_w, not a star of the wank reports, normally. But this is where my involvement began.

Until last summer I rarely posted outside my own LJ or flist about anything regarding SV. Still don't, picspams aside, because if you haven't noticed, this fandom is INSANE and I also don't exactly take the show wildly seriously. I was content to hear about the crazy from my flist without experiencing it firsthand.

I was so low-profile that I would question how my journal even came to Shelly's attention in the first place, except for that last summer I ran a Chloe summer challenge community with a Chloiser slant, called up_away. It was a pro-Chlois comm, though I took care to remind people regularly that entries were to focus on Chloe only (i.e. not to be anti-Lois).

I was still slightly naïve about the crazy at the time, and thought as long as I emphasized that the comm was positive in tone and not about character bashing, then there would be no problems with it being an open comm. Nevertheless, community posts provided mocking material for the people at antichlois. shelly505 was among those who got a giggle, so obviously she knew of my comm by August 25th at the latest:





Around the middle of October, I had finally taken notice that Shelly had been ripping me off and was being a creeper (due to her questionable judgment in posting her copied handiwork to the same community as me). It hadn't registered with me that she was the same girl from the virus kerfluffle because she had locked that post, so I posted about the issue under f-lock and asked my flist if they agreed that what she was doing was creepy. Everyone said, "That's the chick who told Chlarkers to fuck off in the virus wank! And yes, she's being creepy!" After being told how she'd reacted to marikology's comment, I was like, "Okay, politely reasoning with her seems like it's not really an option here," and so after she continued to copy more and more, I called her out with screencaps on October 21st.

I know that Shelly knew of my LJ since June 2009, and based off the material she had copypasted, I strongly suspect the copying probably began around July, but I have no way of proving it after the bahleetion (as I never thought the wank would get this far and that there would be a need to cap her ENTIRE LJ BACK THEN). But it is my belief that the creepiness began before the virus wank in August, not that the copying was something she did out of "revenge" (especially since I had no involvement in the virus wank whatsoever). Which, if I'm right, makes the virus wank even wankier, if she was already obsessively journal-stalking and ripping off a Chloiser, at the time of her post accusing Chlarkers/Chloisers of spreading a nonexistent virus and trolling her journal.

Within 24 hours of my post calling her out, shelly505, her graphics journal, her twitter account, and her YouTube account were all deleted.

However, the PL fiasco went down that same week, so Shelly's bahleetion got less attention than it might have otherwise. I'm not touching the PL thing and I really don't want to rehash that crazy here. But it's relevant because at Journalfen's wank_report, while anonymice were also weighing in on the "virus," they were also saying how Chloefen had run Shelly off Livejournal and linked to this post as their proof. Which is only of interest to me because it includes a fraction of the truth:

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cloiser_trish:
And now they ran off Shelly by harrassing her at Twitter calling her a stalker and copy cat all because some aspects of Clois_Daily were similar I guess to their Chlois community.. like apparently, if they have a "How did you become a Chloiser" aspect, no other fandom is allowed to have a "How did you become a Cloiser" or whatever, as part of their comm.

It's messed up :(


kalalanekent:
And see, the fact that they spend all of this time just plotting this stupidity kills me. It's like the virus they sent out during the chat a few months ago. I mean, don't they have lives? I mean, it's not our fault that we not only have canon on our side, but also that Erica and Tom have awesome chemistry and the current writers have hit their stride. And I'll tell you right now, if it was Chlois Theory spoilers or surprise!Chlarker, they'd be singing like nightingales.

And for the millionth damn time: WHY would you still want the Chlark? You want to just see Chloe chewed up and spit out again? Come on! And Chloe is (was)an awesome enough character in her own right. Why does she have to be someone else?

Part of me wants to check the dates on this Chlois_Daily (although how the hell do they have enough material to make a chlois_DAILY, I want to know). They really are just grasping at straws. They just won't leave her alone at all, will they? I just wish I knew a way to keep them from doing this.

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Of course, it wasn't the whole Chloe mafia going after shelly505. It was just me, pretty much - nobody else left so much as a comment on her journal (though yes, two people said she was a plagiarizing bitch on twitter, but they weren't even on my flist, whom I'd asked to not make a big deal out of it - and no, they weren't polite, but I wasn't exactly weeping into my pillow over how wronged Shelly was there). And of course I actually wasn't so crazy as to think that other shippers couldn't be allowed to have their own community. I kind of think if both sides kept themselves busier writing fic and making art and creating fanmixes then we'd have less wank all around. I just wanted her to stop copying everything I did ever. And I did have dates on my screencaps...

But nobody ever linked to my post with the screencaps and the dates to properly demonstrate how I had so cruelly run Shelly off the internets for no reason except that she dared to make a Clois community on the same side of the internet as me, and what a messed-up troll I was. :(

And strangely, the anonymice at Journalfen who were so up in arms over poor Shelly being RUN OFF THE INTERNET FOREVAR by the evil Chloe fans, never replied to others' comments linking my post and suggesting that she'd bahleeted over that, instead of evil Chloefen trolling. I guess not a single one of them saw it! :(

But hey, Shelly had bahleeted. I wasn't going to incite a crazy Lois-vs-Chloe shipper war on my LJ over a journal that no longer even existed.

Oh, and just to be clear: I also am positive shelly505's flist at large had no clue what was going on. I've interacted with some people on her flist in the past and they've always been cool to me (and now that it's turning into a big deal this week, people who were on her flist are coming out of the woodwork saying that they had no idea). I've never had cause to suspect that she was snickering at me from behind f-lock. She was very, very bad at hiding how much she was copying from my journal, yet she seemed to want to hide it so her flist would not catch on.

But the above post suggests that some Lois fans at least were told part of the truth. I also think at least one of Shelly's fellow clois_daily mods knew the whole story, because while Shelly was still in between journals, someone else quietly edited the comm's interest list to remove the stuff copypasted from my own.

And I would imagine at least one wanky Lois fan saw my post linked at wank_report, but if they did, I guess nobody cared because it was a Chloiser who was had the problem. The long and short of it was that while my post was advertised, no Lois fan ever made any public comment regarding the matter that I could find, except for the post above, where in the comments there was much wringing of hands.

So it appeared the public reaction to Shelly's bahleetion from the Loisfen's side was thus: POOR, POOR SHELLY. WHY IS SHE SUCH A VICTIM OF THE MEAN GIRLS? LEAVE SHELLY ALOOOOOOONE! COME BACK, SHELLY! :(

So, on October 27th, a week after her bahleetion, with no visible fallout on the Loisfen end to speak of, an undeterred Shelly created the inklane journal and went right back to ripping me off immediately, albeit with slightly more subtlety and now under f-lock. She declared her journal was locked "to stop trolling," lest we forget that HER OLD JOURNAL WAS DELETED BECAUSE OF EVIL CHLOE FANS TROLLING IT RELENTLESSLY. (Except for how more than one of us had been regularly refreshing shelly505's LJ before bahleetion to see how she reacted to my post, and nobody commented over there. At all. If Shelly has caps of abuse from Chloisers, then I will apologize and admit I was wrong, but I'm pretty sure she's making a lot of noise about nothing.)

But even under f-lock she was still really bad at hiding how she was continuing to rip me off, so my second post calling her out with screencaps followed last month.

She still didn't respond, except for locking down the few public posts she'd made, locking her scrapbook, bahleeting her graphics journal, and deleting the icons from her userpics that I had pointed out were slavishly and creepily identical to my own (so she obviously read my post and was still checking my journal daily like a creepy creeper).

Still, even as Chloefen made noise about it, nobody from the Loisfen camp apparently noticed what was going on (or, perhaps more likely in the case of the wankiest people, didn't care, because it was a Chloiser's problem).

Until a few days ago, another Cloiser, _touched, got badmouthed by inklane on twitter, posted about it on her LJ, and a mutual friend of ours was like, "I'm not surprised, that chick has pulled all kinds of crazy shit," and _touched asked what she meant.

She was sent over to my posts about the matter, which she found enlightening and not at all cool, and I gather she PM'ed roughly every Clois fan under the sun the links whether they wanted to hear about it or not.

And then inklane bahleeted yesterday, again. She's kept her twitter this time, though. Now we wait to see if she'll resurface again with a new journal, and, if she's really determined to keep going with this, maybe a thrilling story about how this bahleetion is once again all the fault of evil Chlarker trolls!

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The question I've been asking myself since this whole thing started is: why?

I've said it before, but her crazy slavish copying of my non-srs-bzness fanart and stuff doesn't so much piss me off in terms of OMG SOMEONE MADE AN ICON THAT LOOKS LIKE MIIIIINE IT'S THE END OF THE WOOOOOORLD PITY ME AND GIVE ME ATTENTION OVER MY 100x100 PIXELS CHLOE MAFIAAAAAAA :( as it does 1) just plain creep me out that one person would watch my journal so obsessively as to copypaste the most inanely mundane things like my icon keywords or my tags, and 2) annoy the hell out of me that she keeps stirring up shit and then playing victim when people get pissed at her.

I really can't say why she did all this, though I'm left wondering if she set out to make existing shipper war tension worse, and paint herself a martyr, in order to gain pity and attention from certain fans or BNFs on the side she wanted to court. But since so much of her journal was locked, I really can't say, or know how successful she was, so this is just my crazy conspiracy theory. I'm good at those, what with being a Chloiser and all. :P Maybe someone who was on her flist could guess why she did it better than I can.

Also, it's not my intention to say that the Chloefen are pure as the driven snow in the grand scheme of things in the shipper war. As was said in the comments of the last post, Chloe mafia members are generally willing to take responsibility for the wanky things we've done (even my making this post is admittedly pretty wanky; I still can't believe this hasn't made f_w). But Shelly made noise about Chloefen doing stuff they haven't, which grates. The accusations of the virus plot, and of how Chloisers have forced Lois fans minding their own business to delete their journals, have continued to be made thrown around after the fact. I think both sides have been wanky enough that we don't need to resort to making stuff up when throwing dirt, because let's face it, we're not exactly hurting for material here, guys.

Not, of course, that I think my post here will stop anyone from continuing to rant about those things. I've kinda surmised so far that the wankiest of the Loisfen will be hard pressed to admit that one of their own could ever do anything wrong, because that would go against the narrative they love to project (all Loisfen are sugar and light and have their hair braided by cartoon birds every morning, while the Chloisers are full of HATE and DELUSIONAL CRAZY, like the KKK/scientologists/Hilter/those mean girls in high school/BINGO!). I mean, someone might sell her down the river now just to save face, now that this has finally exploded after all these months, as now it seems to be getting to be pretty open knowledge and not just something the uppermost wanky echelons of the Chloe-vs-Lois camps are flipping over amongst themselves. But nobody uttered a word about it before.

Though, really, I can't actually complain much, because I was so miffed over all of this drama that I just got more determined to have more fun and be more creative in SV fandom, and have actually had a pretty awesome time since S9 started, even while I'm not really feeling the show as much. So it all *~happened for a reason~*! Yaaaay! Chloe mafia group hug!

And I hope this is the end of this saga, at least where I'm concerned. *crosses fingers* But I'm sure it's just a matter of time until inklane pops up again with a new journal; it just remains to be seen if next time she stops ripping me off (or finally learns how to cover her tracks from the prying eyes of plucky girl detectives).

Third time's the charm?

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ETA: marikology tells how her interactions with Shelly ended and how she got an apology.

Highlight: I specifically remember she stated she was 17 "and liked teddy bears and macaroni and cheese."

...inklane, you were supposed to be trying to convince people you were a teenage minor, not FIVE.

Now between that, other word-of-mouth reports from people without caps and from people on her flist who've contacted me, I think Shelly has now claimed to be 16, 17, and 18, all at the same time. Though since her birthday was listed as in October, she should be anywhere from 17 to 19 at this point.

WTF. I mean, her LJ had existed for years, you would think her longtime friends would notice if she kept getting younger...? I'm really confused now.

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ETA THE SECOND: Oh, dear.

Apparently it turns out that Shelly and her friends have long been telling people of my evil ways, and how I am a known harasser of Cloisers.

I feel kind of flattered that they think I'm important enough to talk about! I never knew! Maybe I can get lipgloss or an iPod out of Chloisers now!

The only comms I post SV material at (besides, last summer, my own challenge comm) are linking to my journal posts at fandom_picspams and picspammy. I've never left comments, sane, wanky, or otherwise in past wanky throwdowns. I've never even posted a friendly comment in the journal of a Cloiser who I wasn't already on good terms with, to my knowledge, because after all this I'm slightly paranoid of the potential crazy. When Cloisers come to my journal leaving rude comments, I ignore them and don't reply.

And I never linked to my first two posts about Shelly's copying anywhere, or asked anyone to do so. So even if calling someone on their shit counts as *~harassment~*, the only way a Cloiser could have found said posts is IF THEY WERE STALKING MY JOURNAL OBSESSIVELY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You almost have to admire the groundwork this chick is apparently putting in to make me look like a hater who's just gotta hate, all so she can be allowed to keep on COPYING 100x100 ICONS AND PICSPAMS. From SMALLVILLE. The show with a fake baby. The underground railroad plot twist. Hepatic disease of the liver. French kryptonian witches from China. Did I mention the fake baby?

I know I'm probably taking it too seriously myself in writing this post and continuing to pay attention to the wank, but I just can't look away. :( I still cannot believe anyone would go to this much trouble over ICONS AND PICSPAMS.

Also, now hearing that multiple people are in on this, apparently, this just makes me inclined to believe that my Msscribe-type theory about Shelly doing this to get access to some Loisfen *~inner circle~* holds water. With links and info multiple people have been dropping me the past few days, I'm starting to wonder if this whole thing wasn't even Shelly's idea, and someone asked her to do it in exchange for BNF VIP treatment. I have no idea how I was awarded such importance as a fandom lurker - maybe they thought because I'm quiet and don't get that involved, I wouldn't even notice it.

Because the thing that's always baffled me about this, from the very first post, is how some parts of the copying plot seemed decently thought-out, and yet Shelly was always terrible at hiding them. I always was questioning if she was deliberately trolling, yet every time she's gotten called out, she's bahleeted. Honestly, if Shelly hadn't been dumb enough to post in the same community as me with virtually identical posts, I never would have noticed her at all and she would still be enjoying her rise to BNF-dom in her old LJ now. And based on her actions during the kerfluffle with me, I think she probably lacked the smarts to come up with the rickroll virus on her own.

I have no idea if I'll ever find the answer, but hey, I am a delusional Chloiser, so...if there is a fandom conspiracy, goodness knows I'll be having fun trying to unravel it.

In the meantime, I shall now, obviously, flounce off to spread my delusional Chlois agenda of hatred across the internets like the KKK-adoring, Hilter-sympathizing, mean girl I am.

*FLOUNCES*

Comments

[sparkz0r.livejournal.com]

I really can't say why she did all this, though I'm left wondering if she set out to make existing shipper war tension worse, and paint herself a martyr, in order to gain pity and attention from certain fans or BNFs on the side she wanted to court.

A variation of Munchausen by Internet?

Of all the Chloe Mafia I know, you least deserve this kind of idiotic drama. But you deal with it so well. This post is def. going in my memories.

[nyonyo.livejournal.com]

A variation of Munchausen by Internet?

...which are the exact words Charlotte Lennox used to describe Msscribe's complex, which was exactly what I was thinking of. *g* Minus the sockpuppet artistry, obviously, but I think it's possible the initial sentiments were similar (in how Msscribe initially stirred up conflict through sockpuppeting to make herself look the victim of Harry/Ginny shippers, so that she could be friends with Cassie Claire). But I really didn't see enough of her LJ, or know enough about the Cloiser BNF hierarchy to really know. It's just what makes most sense to me.

Hee, thanks. :)

[pgchan.livejournal.com]

I had to go look up "Munchausen by Internet."

The More You Know.

[frelling-tralk.livejournal.com]

I was still slightly naïve about the crazy at the time, and thought as long as I emphasized that the comm was positive in tone and not about character bashing, then there would be no problems with it being an open comm. Nevertheless, community posts provided mocking material for the people at antichlois.

And people wonder why Chlois fans are OMG SO SNEAKY, and tend to talk in filters, instead of open comms where we can be mocked *shakes head*


So I figure either it was a *~Chloe fan gone rogue~* who wasn't in the mafia clique, or a Lois fan made a sockpuppet and did it themselves to cause drama and panic

Do you think it could have been Shelly? She was apparently harassing you in order to delete her LJ and yell that the Chlois mafia where driving her out of fandom, and it definitely became an urban legend after that that several Clois fans have had to go under flock or delete in order to avoid our trolling them. This all certainly makes me wonder the people that made the biggest deal about the "virus", had their own agenda and could have send the dodgy link themselves. And yeah I still see the occasional mention of fandom sending viruses to one another, and I'm torn between wanting to stay out of the wank, and having to sit on my urge to yell that it was apparently not even a virus at all.

I really can't say why she did all this, though I'm left wondering if she set out to make existing shipper war tension worse, and paint herself a martyr, in order to gain pity and attention from certain fans or BNFs on the side she wanted to court.

All I can think is that she did have an agenda behind it. You could maybe argue the first time that she was just genuinally a fan of yours who didn't realise how creepy she was being, but to be called out and then to deliberately start paralling all of your icons with Clois icons, yeah that's deliberate. Similar with ripping off your Chlois weekly challenge comm with a daily Clois comm with more members, as if to make some kind of point.


And actually something similar happened with the Allison Mack comm that was started up to thank her for her final year on the show. A scrapbook was discussed, along with sending letters from the fans thanking her for her time on the show. Next thing the organisers were PM'd that a group called Global Gratitude have just started up with plans to send letters thanking all of the cast (well Tom, Erica, and the "supporting cast") and will we consider sending a copy of our letters for Allison to their campaign too. A few people were like hmm kind of coincidentally similar to be sending letters now all of a sudden, but oookay. Next time the Global Gratitude (which I believe originates from the Divine Intervention fanboard of which I am pretty sure that Shelly is a mod/BNF at?) started up with ambitions to send a certain number of letters (more than had been discussed for Allison naturally), and Tom and Erica were suddenly getting a scrapbook, which what a surprise featured the the exact same layout as had been publically posted for Allison's scrapbook. People were pretty gutted at having the scrapbook design ripped off like that when it was meant as a gift for Allison and nothing to do with fandom trying to outdo one another, although those discussions only went on under flock, cause there's no way of not coming across as the bad guys and petty as hell for calling out a thank you campaign for ripping you off. But when I see the campaign being copied with a grander website, and more ambitious plans with letters and such, it seems deliberate to me if y'know what I mean...

After that of course the Allison/Chloe thank you comm ended up being yet another Chloe-related comm that went under flock and under fandoms radar, which may have also been the point to drive other fans more underground and stop dirtying up our fandom Who even knows any more

It really makes me wonder what's going on in this fandom sometimes

[nyonyo.livejournal.com]

I have absolutely no proof to back it up so I really didn't want to do anything but imply it, but...

Yeah, I think that it's possible, but I'm largely suspicious because she says herself that she "wasn't in the chat," and that's an awful lot of noise to make over something that you weren't even mixed up in. I also think it's equally possible it was all someone else's idea (see: theory she wanted to impress some BNF), but Shelly was told to spread the rumor because she had multishippers on her flist, and so her accusations might carry more weight than someone who only hung with Cloisers. Since as her post says, OMG SHE TOTALLY DOESN'T HATE CHLARKERS! REALLY! Except for the ones who are like the KKK. But, again, we're Chloisers so conspiracy theories are our bread and butter. I don't think we'll ever know.

I said at the top I really wanted to keep this about Shelly only, because I don't want to turn this into a wank rehash, for one, and also the reason I felt comfortable making this post is because I have so many caps to back up my claims (which I don't have for anything else). And yeah, I initially suspected that the copypasted outline drama was Shelly as well at the very start (because, hello, I'M PARANOID WHERE SHE'S CONCERNED) but after my plucky girl detective research, I'm leaning towards not. The people who put together the DI scrapbook appeared to work very hard on it and weren't that quiet about it, so I don't believe it was Shelly's deal; the only connection she had was pimping out the project on her comm, and I think she probably wrote letters. In any case, there was mutual wank on both sides where the scrapbook thing was concerned.

And anyway, I'm proud of the work that was done on Allison's scrapbook. We sent something totally different from the original outline anyway, and I think the final product was much, much better than it would have been if everyone hadn't felt pressured to come up with something newer and cooler. So while the drama was annoying, at least it all worked out in the end for the best. :)

[savingpeople.livejournal.com]

The "virus" was pop-ups and a Rick-Rolling? LOL! I had no idea. I totally agree that if it had been ME who had been responsible for that, I would have TOTALLY claimed it because that's kinda genius.

I can't believe that was the "virus" they were so up in arms about. God forbid anyone get Rick-Rolled ever. How dare Rick Astley ever sing unexpectedly!

You are a star for writing this all up and I'm sorry this is something that has caused so much craziness.

[nyonyo.livejournal.com]

Apparently, going from above. I almost wish I actually thought it WAS one of us, because if someone had come out and been like, "Yeah, I rickrolled Loisfen, NOW SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT VIRUSES PLZ?" right out of the gate, it might have been a lot less wanky. Maybe. Possibly.

Ahaha, thanks a lot! :)

[chiri-chan.livejournal.com]

Wow. There are things in here that I totally didn't know. I would say I can't believe it but then again, this IS Smallville fandom and she's not reached sv_maria levels (yet).

I still find the whole situation hilarious (as in unbelievable):

(A) We're still being called the Chloe Mafia? Are they still thinking Allison Mack stole their glitter pens & hates the poor (my favorite wank EVER after all her charity work)?

(B) The "Virus" was a rick roll? That's even MORE hilarious. Frankly, the virus story was unbelievable given anyone whom spent any time with the group at large. Knowing how to use imageshack, youtube, and twitter are big big accomplishments (the later especially as it's taken what... two years?? for most to get on board). Hell, *I* don't know how to do a pop-up rick roll thing which makes it even more absurd followed by...

(C) They got mad over a rick roll? I mean, I thought everyone had been told that no one was ever going to GIVE THEM UP or LET THEM DOWN by now. It's not really a new internet meme.

(D) Stalker graphic lady continues to be creepy but I think you are right in this feeling SO MUCH like MsScribe, that I think you are just a victim by proxy. The want to be BNF is bizarre to me, but I can see the process here:

Step One, Make Pretty Things So Everyone Wants To Be Your Friend.
Step Two, Create Drama Once You Have Friends SO BNF Friends you.
Step Three, Go Under Flock to Be More Elite. Create Drama. Bahlete Journal.
Step Four, Create New Name To Be Even More Elite.

I suspect next is probably a rinse and repeat; my wonder now is does the new id cop to actually being the former Shelley OR does she become a ~new fan~. It sounds like it's all coming to light, so I suspect the latter. However, in that case if she goes right back to ripping your style she's likely to get caught. Maybe she'll start copying someone else and you'll be home free?

Thank you for putting this together, it's truly mind boggling. I honestly have to say going back to KryptonCybill that fanpuppetry used to drive up tensions between different sides and break down honest debate and discussion is (and IMO always has been) the #1 problem in this fandom.

I know I personally, and plenty of others, don't mind different opinions; what everyone wants is some respect, civility, and honesty. And it seems, especially from being an admin/mod at ksite for years, when things get out of hand there is almost ALWAYS socks involved.

So thank you for 'outing' her and to those whom helped and I'm hoping this means it's all over and things can settle down. Though being honest, looking at this CRAZY? I'm not really counting on it. :(

[mojotastic.livejournal.com]

(A) We're still being called the Chloe Mafia? Are they still thinking Allison Mack stole their glitter pens & hates the poor (my favorite wank EVER after all her charity work)?

APPARENTLY! I think this might be my favorite aspect of this whole wank though. Allison Mack HATES THE POOR is still my favorite SV wank of all time. I thought that me and nyonyo were the only ones who still used that term. I was seriously thinking before this blew up "Hey, maybe I should delete this icon? I mean, it's been awhile since anyone has accused Allison Mack of stealing their glitter pens and threatening killing their dog for fun (so don't test her!)" BUT NO IT'S ALWAYS RELEVANT. That's the real gift of this wank. This icon will live forever.

This is totally seems like the SV fandom's version of msscribe though.

[indefiance.livejournal.com]

To be honest, I just think she lacked serious creativity, ran across your journal, thought your stuff looked AWESOME and wanted it for her own Lois. Whenever somebody found her out, she'd resort to lying and playing victim because she knew the Lois fandom would sympathize with her rather than a Chloiser. The second time around? I'm not sure. Maybe she thought she wouldn't get caught again.

I mean, lying and pretending to be oh so fragile whenever she's called out has been her M.O. thus far. She's all bark but no bite. She's the one behind the tall guy, goading him on, but runs away when you turn your attentions on her. Pretty sure she wouldn't have to resort to such drastic measures and risks just to court a BNF.

Basically, Shelly has no idea what irony means. She's always calling us trolls and creepers and OMG MEAN GIRLS when she's exactly all three herself, with no shred of proof that we had ever done anything to her, unless the Lois fandom now considers defending ourselves EVIL AND MEAN too.

[nyonyo.livejournal.com]

Yeah, again, let's try to keep it about Shelly's misdeeds only - I agree with you, but I definitely don't think it was her. And I actually think that the person who posted about that asked that it not go outside her journal, so I'm gonna screen your comment.

[mojotastic.livejournal.com]

Did you ever know? That you're my HEROOOOOOO!!! You are the wind beneath my wings bb!

This must have taken FOREVER to compile. I think the saddest/most hilarious thing is that this is really only the tip of Chloefen V Loisfen: Battle Royale iceberg and yet there is STILL SO MUCH STUPID.

I had no idea until recently that this ~*virus*~ was a rickroll. THE WHINING THAT RICK ROLL CAUSED MY GOD. I remember hearing about this whole virusgate back in the day and there was SO MUCH WHINING. And to know that it was just someone letting them know they were never going to give them up/let them down/turn around and desert them? LOL! The best part is I know EXACTLY what rick roll that is too. That one happened to me back in college. It took me like ten minutes to click my way though and it was hilarious but totally annoying and then I put the link in my gchat status and OMG I'M A VIRUS SPREADER!

I'm honestly really glad I told _touched about this whole thing. I was actually talking to her a few weeks before inklane started shit talking her on twitter and wondered if she had heard about the whole copygate and unsurprisingly she hadn't. So I think she was trying to be ~uncover~ about it but in like the least stealthy way possible.

I'm going with your msscribe theory. I guess she figured if she pretended to be picked on by the terrible, mean Chloisers with all our "facts" and "evidence" then she could get in with the Clois BNFs, who are always predisposed to dislike Chloisers in particular.

I'm really wondering what her next step will be though. I was a totally creeper and just searched her @replies on Twitter and it looks like she's playing off the bahletion as some sort of "I never post in my LJ anymore so I decided to delete it!" Of course it's not because people are finding out what a huge creeper she is! She just decided, independently of all this stuff, it was time to bail on LJ!

My guess is she'll definitely be back. I'd say she might take to ripping someone else off once she returns but she seems to think she has a good thing ripping off you, regardless of how many times you call her out on it.

IN SUMMARY: This post is EPIC and probably going in my memories. Oh SV wank, you are a special sort of snowflake.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

No, I really didn't know anything about this, because while all of this stuff was going on I was dealing with either the last six months of my grandfather's life or trying to get through the first year without him. So, I wasn't really checking up on the flist or checking in with the latest SV drama or wank.

Once we got to talking about it that night in chat, I really wanted to know more about it honestly, because I just couldn't believe that someone would be that damn creepy to do all of that stuff. And now after reading this, I'm even more nauseated that someone from MY FANDOM CAMP that I had on MY FLIST could do something LIKE THIS to somoene else and apparently not someone, but the whole entire fandom camp. I'm seriously appalled by it.

You guys, I'm really sorry that this came from my side of the camp. It just makes me sick.

[iliana-1.livejournal.com]

So I read this all the way through and all that kept running through my head was that, I need an icon with 'The Chloe Mafia' because well...I've kind of fallen in love with the term :D

I also like Chloefen and Chlarmy. It just makes me sad that I might not rank very highly in any of these organizations.

As for the insanity, I have no words really. I have no idea why she is stealing your work over and over again. Is it just because she's 16 or is it because she's crazy? ;)

Other Cloisers calling her out? It won't really happen because this fandom and the show itself breeds hate amongst its factions and people stick together no matter what. Sad but true and even expected.

I think you're amazing for handling this like you are, with a little bit of humour and a lot of detail and logic :)

[chiri-chan.livejournal.com]

In s5, Clana fans on KSite literally had a group called the "Clarmy." Or maybe it was Clanarmy.

Which is why I suspect when in ...mabye it was 05? Maybe it was 06, when the wank about AM's blog and how her supporting ...I think it was kiva, meant she hated poor people we became the Chloe Mafia.

[vivamexico.livejournal.com]

The virus was a RickRoll??! Awesome. I love RickRolls.

The thing that gets me about this is how awesome you've handled it. You've been so mature and rational in the face of some freaky stuff. This right here is why I love my group.

This was a comprehensive rundown, thanks for putting it all down.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

I really do appreciate you taking the time to compile all of this information into one post, so that I could understand the origins of where it started and up until the most recent.

My god, that girl makes even the sanest Clois shipper (hi, points at me) look bad. Reading this just made me a.) nauseated and b.) my head hurt, oh and c.) my blood pressure spike like nobody's business.

I just, I really have no words. Part of me is so angry that any Clois fan would be that determined to cause that much damage by spreading those viscious rumors around about another fandom camp just because they don't like the ship, the character, or they lack the ability to acknowledge that everyone's entitled to their opinions.

I really want to apologize on behalf of my fandom cam, because it really feels incredibly suck for me to be sitting here reading this and seeing all of the damage and the hurt that's come out of it. I'm also really sort of pissed, that I was so damn duped by inklane to begin with. And I am so thankful to our mutual friend, for making me aware of this.

I'm also glad that I'm able to help as much as I can, by getting the word out this out there to just about every Clark/Lois fan that I can think of, because it's important that they know just what's going on in this fandom and what people are doing to other's. It's very damaging to the credibility of our camp and like I said before, it's so bad now that it almost makes even the sane Cloisers look seriously suspect. Because, I honestly don't know how you guys have put up with this and how you guys would be able to trust another Cloiser without wondering if they're being genuine to your face and holding a knife behind their back ready to lodge between your shoulder blades when they see fit to do so.

I am just really incredibly sorry and shamed that someone in my camp could do this to another person. The copying, the rumors, the damaging accusations, and what puts me away the most is the fact that this girl acted like a victim when she's the idiot who started this whole damn mess in the first place.

I am linking to this in my master post that I already have written up and I will be posting it at some point on my journal in a public post today. Feel free to come by and check it out, if you would like to. Again, I am truly sorry.

[babydee1.livejournal.com]

You're a brave, decent person, and your fandom should be proud of you. I hope they'll still be friends with you after this, and not alienate you for speaking up against a fellow fan.

And if they decide they don't want you - we'll have ya! :-)

[summerstar882.livejournal.com]

You know things are off, when the fandom BTS drama eclipses in spades the show in which the fandom was based off on.

*continues munching on popcorn*

Ten buck says she'll create another account within a few weeks. I'm sure I sound like a broken record when I say, I'm thoroughly impressed with the way your choosing to handle this unfortunate situation....again.

Seriously though, putting shipping preferences aside, this is just a damn tv show (crapshit one at that). Stalking and ripping from your fellow fan member is seriously not cool.

[marikology.livejournal.com]

I will tell you how our interaction ended, but I don't have any screencaps.

After I asked Shelly for proof, she locked the post, banned me, and like you said, posted that she had to lock her journal because Chloe fans were trolling and she felt uncomfortable. (I specifically remember she stated she was 17 "and liked teddy bears and macaroni and cheese.")

I posted anonymously (but signing my name) that I had no intention of making her feel uncomfortable in her own journal, and if I had, I was sorry. She unblocked me, said she was sorry for calling me a troll, and we parted ways on good terms.

So I, being the only Chloiser that even commented on her journal, actually received an apology and an unblocking before she deleted the Shelly journal.

I've stated this publicly before, but I don't care if Loisfen hates me or my friends. They can bash Chloe, Chlark, Chlois or Allison Mack until they are blue in the face. But if you are going to talk about how terrible, deluded, crazy and psychotic we are, please do it behind closed doors. If you are going to talk about how evil you suspect us to be, (since no proof ever actually surfaces), please keep it to yourselves. What prompted me to post in Shelly's journal were comments from other fandoms, *strangers* even, remarking, "Wow, Chloisers/Chlarkers are crazy," over something that wasn't even fucking true. Like I said, Chloisers are not innocent, but call us out on stuff that's actually true, instead of continuing to perpetuate vicious rumors, even after word spreads that it's untrue, for no damn reason.

[nyonyo.livejournal.com]

I'll link to your comment at the bottom of my post; I'd never heard the end of the story before. And other people told me she had claimed to be 16. So now with _touched saying in the last post she was apparently claiming to be both 17 and 18 at the same time under flock, we have her being reported at three separate ages... o_O And even then, two of them would mean she's not a　minor. How weird.

I specifically remember she stated she was 17 "and liked teddy bears and macaroni and cheese."

...

SERIOUSLY?

Yes, I absolutely agree with you. I don't care about the bashing of characters at all, especially since plenty of us give as good as we get in that department. But the personal attacks have gotten ridiculous over the past year.

I'm still goggling over the virus being a rickroll, honestly. I don't think anyone on the internet has ever flounced so much over being rickrolled, or assumed such moral superiority using a rickroll as a basis.

[apeygirl.livejournal.com]

Wow. Not just at this hilarious and incredibly detailed entry, but at the comments on past wank. I just want to get me some popcorn and read through every link.

I'm so curious as to how Shelly/Inklane might resurface now.

Past Wank? Okay!

[chiri-chan.livejournal.com]

All tagged at F_W and the few that made it to the wiki.

*continues munching popcorn herself*

[babydee1.livejournal.com]

We should start taking bets on:

(1) How soon she resurfaces with a brand-new screen name
(2) How long before she starts stalking Nyonyo & badmouthing us again, and
(3) How long before she gets rumbled and takes off? :-D

You're a trooper for handing this mess with such professionalism and grace, Nyo. Well done, and lets hope creepy Shelly stays away this time!

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

Sorry for the double post, but I thought you might like the link to my master post (http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/638790.html#cutid1) that I just put up a few minutes ago. It's public, so feel free to file it for future reference if you need to.

all that needs to be said...

[legendarytobes.livejournal.com]

...inklane/shelly505 is a BITCA

[indefiance.livejournal.com]

I love that you did this post but the only ): thing about this is that you've been too busy to make your pretty meta posts. ;~;

[nyonyo.livejournal.com]

I shall make an effort later on, lol, but I'm really kind of tired after all this.

[nyonyo.livejournal.com]

Nah, the anti-Chlois comm is someone else entirely, she was just passing through to lol. Which doesn't even bug me, though I wish they'd do their mocking under f-lock if they're going to make it personal (if only since I was getting PMs all PLZ LOCK THE COMM BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PUBLICLY MOCKING US).

LOL, probably someone deep in the Cloiser camp is emailing her all the drama highlights, and this post is public so I'm sure she's reading every single comment. I am sure my making this post will only earn her more street cred with some who just want to see Chloisers flip their lids for the lolz.

[pgchan.livejournal.com]

...I am impressed and aghast that you've gone to this much trouble. I gotta say though, this is a Russian doll of a wank. So much work over this person who is not worth it, who themselves put so much work into pointless creeper tactics, over a show that is really not worth that much effort. This whole situation is retardiculous, and I say again, I'm sorry it happened to you, man. I've also got to give you props for handling it so well. You're the classiest person in the nuthouse ♥

[babydee1.livejournal.com]

...everything she said, babes! :-)

[rjchasez.livejournal.com]

Man, this is a heaping pile of messed up. My thoughts and feelings mirror my icon here SO MUCH.

[dtotheaisy.livejournal.com]

WHAT. THE. EFF.

I don't even know. I have never been in a fandom as crazy as this and I cannot fathom the crazy.
Sorry that's happening, that is just messed up.

Also, hi, I added you as a friend, I hope that's okay?

[nyonyo.livejournal.com]

Sure, feel free. :)

I Have Been De-Friended ...

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

Just thought you guys might want to know, cloiser_trish went ahead and de-friended me. I guess I can't say that I'm surprised, but that's been the only one that has, so far. I'm guessing that it had to do with the post that I made in my journal yesterday, linking back to this one among other things.

No love loss there on my side of the equation though, but I can't help but shake the feeling that I'm possibly being talked about under flock and in various filters, although I've lost all access or ways of finding this out.

Re: I Have Been De-Friended ...

[apeygirl.livejournal.com]

What utter horsecrap! All you did was call out bad behavior on the part of one fan, then point to evidence of other bad behavior of the same fan. It's no reason to lock you out and talk about you.

I bet she didn't even bother to read Nyonyo's posts before doing this and that's a shame because I think anyone that reads the well-compiled evidence, as you and other sane cloisers have, see that this particular person was being a creeper.

She should be encouraging inklane to apologize to nyonyo, not demonizing you.

I'm sorry about this. You did the right thing and this is a real shitty reward.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_touched/]

In the meantime, I shall now, obviously, flounce off to spread my delusional Chlois agenda of hatred across the internets like the KKK-adoring, Hilter-sympathizing, mean girl I am.

Zeig, nyonyo!!!